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1 month ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 3:28AM
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I'm sure this post will be close and/or filled with people who feel the need to flame.
Now before I actually write this thread, I just wanna say what got me to type this is because I came across some old wrestling videos with Benoit.
Now Christopher Michael Benoit was known as a lot of things Husband, Father, One of the World's Greatest Technical Wrestler & lastly a murderer...
I'm not here to get in his personal life, from what the crime report says "Benoit is a murderer" & he has no excuses for his actions. Enough said. His personal life is filled with mystery that will never be seen clear, things that people won't be able to agree on. But his wrestling career I know we can all agree that Benoit was one of the greatest wrestlers of his time, a wrestler that was once known as "Future Hall of Fame", which is the reason I'm posting this thread.
The WWE once paid tribute to this man, they gave him respect while he was alive wrestling in the WWE & a few days after his death, but after those few days they try to erase him as if he never existed. Now I understand that the Hall of Fame is an honor & after what he did, it does make since to deny him that. But WWE/WWE Fans I have a question for you, how do you NOT deny that honor to the superstars currently in the Hall of Fame who were once (alcoholics, drug addicts, wife beaters etc.)
Yes, their actions weren't as bad as Benoit but doesn't mean it should be easily forgotten about. Chris Benoit has put more sweat, blood & tears into the WWE (as well as his life) as much (if not more, then half of the current Hall of Famers.) Now before you all reply to this thread, first think of what the WWE Hall of Fame is for. It's to honor the man of his wrestling abilities, not from his actions of his personal life.
Again, I'm not here to defend him nor am I against him but I do wanna hear your thoughts, does Benoit deserves to be inducted into the Hall of Fame?
I doubt this post we'll get him there, I'm sure it will be deleted in minutes, but Benoit doesn't deserve to be forgotten about. WWE you may try to erase him, but stubborn people like me will keep coming back to the forums & remind everyone of this once great wrestler.
Rest In Peace Daniel, Nancy, Christopher Benoit.
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1 month ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 3:20PM
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There's a thread currently two spaces down from yours entitled "Chris Benoit" and yet you had the arrogance enough to think your post on the same subject needed its own headline. What are we supposed to take from that? Your words are more important than the words of everyone else?
Also I do not appreciate the comparison of alcoholics and drug addicts to a man who murdered his innocent wife and child. You should be ashamed for making such a comparison and God forbid you should ever come to know an addict if you're ready to equate them on such a level.
I assume when referencing wife beaters you mean more specifically Austin. In a court of law he paid the penalty for his night of abuse against Debra Marshall who later called his assault the result of roid rage whether one believes that or not. He did not take her life. He did not take the life of one of his children.
The WWE HoF in theory is to honor the careers of wrestlers and it partially is so, but in reality its to help sell Wrestlemania weekend. So you cannot extract good business from this equation as to why Benoit will never be inducted. The sponsors and media would never allow WWE to try and make such a profit off the attention the induction of a murderer would bring. From the business end, it cannot be done. The stockholders would never stand for such an event.
Then there's David Benoit, the Wilson family, friends etc who may not appreciate such an induction. Those friends could very well be former co-workers and I'm not talking the friends of Chris, but of Nancy. She was in the business too and she and her child were murdered. At the very least you'd have conflict from within the company if such an induction were given the go ahead magically.
I'm not saying we're to hate Chris Benoit, but there's absolutely no reason to go out of our way to praise him given what has happened.
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1 month ago ::
Nov 03, 2009 - 12:31AM
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There's a thread currently two spaces down from yours entitled "Chris Benoit" and yet you had the arrogance enough to think your post on the same subject needed its own headline. What are we supposed to take from that? Your words are more important than the words of everyone else?
Also I do not appreciate the comparison of alcoholics and drug addicts to a man who murdered his innocent wife and child. You should be ashamed for making such a comparison and God forbid you should ever come to know an addict if you're ready to equate them on such a level.
I assume when referencing wife beaters you mean more specifically Austin. In a court of law he paid the penalty for his night of abuse against Debra Marshall who later called his assault the result of roid rage whether one believes that or not. He did not take her life. He did not take the life of one of his children.
The WWE HoF in theory is to honor the careers of wrestlers and it partially is so, but in reality its to help sell Wrestlemania weekend. So you cannot extract good business from this equation as to why Benoit will never be inducted. The sponsors and media would never allow WWE to try and make such a profit off the attention the induction of a murderer would bring. From the business end, it cannot be done. The stockholders would never stand for such an event.
Then there's David Benoit, the Wilson family, friends etc who may not appreciate such an induction. Those friends could very well be former co-workers and I'm not talking the friends of Chris, but of Nancy. She was in the business too and she and her child were murdered. At the very least you'd have conflict from within the company if such an induction were given the go ahead magically.
I'm not saying we're to hate Chris Benoit, but there's absolutely no reason to go out of our way to praise him given what has happened.
Where do you get off telling people they are "arrogant" when its obvious they were not paying too much attention when they started this thread.
Benoit is only considered a murderer ONLY under speculation and assumption on what happened that fateful weekend. There is high reasonable doubt that he may not of been fully responsible (i.e. head trauma, ect). Officially yes unofficially still up for debate. I do agree on the facts that yes it would be a HUGE risk financially for WWE to induct him. It would also be suicide if the families and other former entertainers "boycotted" such an idea. I do not praise murder but this case is different. I respect Benoit's career and that is how i will forever remember him by. Not by some event in which its not 100% certain it was completly his fault.
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1 month ago ::
Nov 03, 2009 - 3:05PM
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There's a thread currently two spaces down from yours entitled "Chris Benoit" and yet you had the arrogance enough to think your post on the same subject needed its own headline. What are we supposed to take from that? Your words are more important than the words of everyone else?
Also I do not appreciate the comparison of alcoholics and drug addicts to a man who murdered his innocent wife and child. You should be ashamed for making such a comparison and God forbid you should ever come to know an addict if you're ready to equate them on such a level.
I assume when referencing wife beaters you mean more specifically Austin. In a court of law he paid the penalty for his night of abuse against Debra Marshall who later called his assault the result of roid rage whether one believes that or not. He did not take her life. He did not take the life of one of his children.
The WWE HoF in theory is to honor the careers of wrestlers and it partially is so, but in reality its to help sell Wrestlemania weekend. So you cannot extract good business from this equation as to why Benoit will never be inducted. The sponsors and media would never allow WWE to try and make such a profit off the attention the induction of a murderer would bring. From the business end, it cannot be done. The stockholders would never stand for such an event.
Then there's David Benoit, the Wilson family, friends etc who may not appreciate such an induction. Those friends could very well be former co-workers and I'm not talking the friends of Chris, but of Nancy. She was in the business too and she and her child were murdered. At the very least you'd have conflict from within the company if such an induction were given the go ahead magically.
I'm not saying we're to hate Chris Benoit, but there's absolutely no reason to go out of our way to praise him given what has happened.
Where do you get off telling people they are "arrogant" when its obvious they were not paying too much attention when they started this thread.
Benoit is only considered a murderer ONLY under speculation and assumption on what happened that fateful weekend. There is high reasonable doubt that he may not of been fully responsible (i.e. head trauma, ect). Officially yes unofficially still up for debate. I do agree on the facts that yes it would be a HUGE risk financially for WWE to induct him. It would also be suicide if the families and other former entertainers "boycotted" such an idea. I do not praise murder but this case is different. I respect Benoit's career and that is how i will forever remember him by. Not by some event in which its not 100% certain it was completly his fault.
I'd rather call the man who created this thread arrogant than the alternative.
On subject...
Chris Benoit physically tied up his wife, pressed his knee on her back, and strangled her to death. He physically suffocated his son after apparently considering using a knife on him since a large one was found under his bed. You can say all you want about dementia, steroids, a momentary lapse of sanity that spiralled to whatever (though there is a history of abuse), but you will never truly know the motive because the coward killed himself. With such a painful event and controversial explanations as to why it happened, you still go out of your way to praise the mans career and push publicly for his induction into the WWE Hall of Fame. What possible good can come from this if not everyone who needs to be on board such an event isn't? And believe me, opposition would come from many family members, friends, colleagues, fans, sponsors, and the media.
You have absolutely no risk in this matter or personal grief. When I see people calling for this, I never see a post or statement mentioning that they understand how much financially WWE could and most likely would lose on such a venture until someone brings it to their attention. A financial venture that could cost people jobs that puts food on their families table. I never see a post that reflects on the hurt and pain the murders caused and still cause today. Why? Because when thinking it through, they'd realize how outrageous their train of thought is. They're asking for something that isn't even their right to ask or demand and when they do, they almost always forget to include the consequences of such an action. Which in turn makes people like me think they're delusional.
You need to move on and let this go. Everyone knows his career was Hall of Fame worthy, but when so many threads are constantly being made to praise him and calling for an event to praise him more, more so than lviing/non murdering wrestlers get, then it becomes obnoxious, disrespectful, callous, and unrealistic.
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1 month ago ::
Nov 03, 2009 - 6:41PM
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I'd rather call the man who created this thread arrogant than the alternative.
On subject...
Chris Benoit physically tied up his wife, pressed his knee on her back, and strangled her to death. He physically suffocated his son after apparently considering using a knife on him since a large one was found under his bed. You can say all you want about dementia, steroids, a momentary lapse of sanity that spiralled to whatever (though there is a history of abuse), but you will never truly know the motive because the coward killed himself. With such a painful event and controversial explanations as to why it happened, you still go out of your way to praise the mans career and push publicly for his induction into the WWE Hall of Fame. What possible good can come from this if not everyone who needs to be on board such an event isn't? And believe me, opposition would come from many family members, friends, colleagues, fans, sponsors, and the media.
You have absolutely no risk in this matter or personal grief. When I see people calling for this, I never see a post or statement mentioning that they understand how much financially WWE could and most likely would lose on such a venture until someone brings it to their attention. A financial venture that could cost people jobs that puts food on their families table. I never see a post that reflects on the hurt and pain the murders caused and still cause today. Why? Because when thinking it through, they'd realize how outrageous their train of thought is. They're asking for something that isn't even their right to ask or demand and when they do, they almost always forget to include the consequences of such an action. Which in turn makes people like me think they're delusional.
You need to move on and let this go. Everyone knows his career was Hall of Fame worthy, but when so many threads are constantly being made to praise him and calling for an event to praise him more, more so than lviing/non murdering wrestlers get, then it becomes obnoxious, disrespectful, callous, and unrealistic.
I agree that we may never know what happened but what transpired is based solely on assumption and speculation. The only people who know for sure what happened are deceased and the Almighty. Yes, i do still praise Benoit's illustious career but i do know that his induction is, by far, the longest shot ever in wrestling history after the horrible tradgedy. I still have the right to have an open mind and daydream about it don't I? Opposition by his induction would be questioned by media, family, ect. There would be no doubt of that.
Its true that no one ever considers the consequnces of their "request" of Chris' induction into the HOF. Hell, i never gave it a thought that it would possibly hurt WWE financially IF and ONCE the media got ahold of it. I do have to disagree however that it is our 1st amendment right to speak our minds on the matter and that is something NO ONE can take away from us...not even you.
Some may never move on or let this go. For those who have followed this tradgeic event (like myself) do see resonable doubt that Chris was not fully, if at all, responsible for the murders. There are so many questions that have been raised throughout the span of the livleyhood of the event, that we do call foul on even the thought of Benoit even doing what he (supposedly) did. My thoughts are that something was either under or overlooked and the media and police jumped to conclusions and made the assumption that Benoit was the one who was responsible. That is where reasonable doubt surfaces. You can call it disrespectful, obnoxious, or what have you but when someone sees or hears that something that doesn't smell right, it will be pointed out and questioned.
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