Nov 8, 2009 -- 5:34PM, Dominating Divas(The MelinaManiac)☆Jay Mr. Garcia's Lover☆ wrote:

Nov 8, 2009 -- 5:25PM, Hitman4Life wrote:

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Nov 8, 2009 -- 4:34PM, Hitman4Life wrote:

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Nov 8, 2009 -- 3:58PM, Hitman4Life wrote:

Nov 8, 2009 -- 2:54PM, Dominating Divas(The MelinaManiac)☆Jay Mr. Garcia's Lover☆ wrote:

Melina, she has earned every bit of respect she has ever received, and she is not immediately given respect just because of her last name

Except Natalya isn't a gloryhog? As you can see she is carefully taking her time to earn her spot and not gaining the advantage because of her lastname?

Natalya isn't a gloryhog, and neither is Melina. I love how just because someone is in their prime and they are the top face or top heel everyone considers them a gloryhog. Melina went on smackdown and lost her title 1 month after her re-debut, she chased after the women's title for 4 months and nothing, then she switched brands and won a title that nobody was even taking seriously. Just becuase Nattie isn't being pushed doesn't mean she isn't over-rated, she hasn't done anything in the WWE to be honest but everyone considers her one of the best. I love Natalya myself but I do have the ability to admit she isn't the greatest diva in the WWE right now.

Melina isn't a gloryhog? about a month ago I would of agreed with you however ever since her return to RAW she reemerged out all of a sudden and stole Jillian's spotlight by beating her for the diva's championship, if that isn't a gloryhog, then I don't know what is. At least they could of gave Jillian a month or two as champion where she could of feuding with Melina instead she only lasted a few minutes as champion with Melina coming out on top? Also you say Melina was in the indepedent scene herself? did she go to Japan, and SHIMMER facing the best of the best in the world like Nattie did? NO, Melina was trained at Jesse Hernandez's School of Hard Knocks and made her professional debut in April 2002 and auditioned for Tough Enough III in late 2002 who made her WWE debut in 2004, hmm she doesn't seem much of a indepedent wrestler to me.

Jillian never had the spotlight! Jillian botched in all of their matches. Jillian was sloppy in her matches. And I cannot belive you are still holding this BS over Melina's head, seriously Melina is the champion, build a bridge and get over it. Yeah it would have been nice of them to give Jillian a push but guess what they didn't give and you wannna know why? Because the fans were bored with her. Their matches together were sloppy and a complete botchfest and that is not Melina's, if Jillian wanted a push she should have taken advantage of her title shots and matches and proved she was worth it. But she didn't and that is not Melina's fault. Melina was not as fortunate as Natalya, she did not grow up a Neidhart she grew up living with her mom who was a hair dresser. So no she didn't go to SHIMMER and no she never went to Japan but whos to say she didn't want to. Some people can't afford to chase their dreams forever, she hardly got by everyday, she just could not afford going half way across the world for something she didn't even know was going to take off or not. And yet you say Natalya was never given more chances because of her last name, could have fooled me.

Natalya is one of the most respected/trustworthy divas not because of her lastname but because of how she knows how to help her opponents become better wrestlers, Nattie doesn't want her lastname to get in the way of her success she wants to earn it all by herself just like her uncles have done before her, they earned their own success not because they were the sons of Stu Hart, the legendary trainer of the infamous dungeon and promotor of Stampede wrestling, but because of what they learned from him, people love them and Nattie because they are great wrestlers, and that reputation has gone a long way considering wrestlers like Jericho, Edge, Chris Benoit (RIP) and so many are successful based on that training, yes everyone loves the Harts, but they love their wrestling even more and that's what sells, not a lastname.

It doesn't matter if Natalya wants it or not, the glory is going to come with her last name and she is well aware of that. People over-rate her because of her last name. That was my first statement, she may not want it but it is bound to happen. And you obviously like her because of her last name because when you mentioned Stu Harts name you brought up all of his accomplishments. Natalya may be a great wrestler but some people on here who haven't had the chance of seeing anything past her WWE work wouldn't know that because they see the name Neidhart and immediately think great wrestler no matter who it is. And another thing I love how you didn't even acknowledge my last 5 sentences, yeah that's real great.

So your saying just because of her lastname she is considered a gloryhog, and just because she's apart of the Hart family is the reason why I like her? that is complete BS, first off I like the Hart's because they aren't gloryhogs and they know how to make really entertaining wrestling matches that look real with their selling. Also Nattie is slowly climbing up the latter and has waited her time patiently, she isn't like the Von Erichs who have been rushed in their fathers promotion to become champions and instant fame, that's the difference between the Harts and the Von Erichs is that the Harts actually do earn their spots without their lastnames being a factor.

Did I ever say she was a gloryhog, no I didn't. All I said was glory comes along with the Neidhart name. You sure haven't stated anything she has accomplished in her wrestling career, all you've done is state what Stu Hart has done, which isn't even on topic by the way. Natalya has no say in weather she "climbs up the ladder slowly" who is pushed to the max so that point has no effect at all. Nobody is freakin talking about the Von Erichs, no wonder nobody likes talking to you, you never stay on topic.

Actually I was exactly on topic i'm just setting a few examples, your applying that since she's a Neidhart/Hart that the glory will come to her because of her lastname? I brought up the Von Erichs because if you know their history they were considered gloryhogs in their fathers promotion and were overpushed, while the Harts like Bret & Owen earned their spots and didn't get the same treatment that the Von Erichs did. Now saying that nobody likes to talk to me is a understatement, considering you can't speak for everyone on here, I respect everyone's imput even yours but to say that nobody likes talking to me is hypocritical.

No setting a few examples is like saying "so and so uses their last name to their advantage..." but you just never shut up about it, I mean seriously you just went on and on and on, and we weren't even taling about the Von Erich's. Again this isn't about the Von Erich's so shut up about them, using someone as an example doesn't mean you have to make the whole damn conversation about them. Your right I can't speak for everyone on here but I can speak for myself and speaking for myself I would have to say I hate talking to you, you turn the conversation into something that no one even cares about, you refuse to stay on topic, you ignore everything I say and then you turn around and say you respect my input, you say you love Natalya not because of her last name but because of her in-ring ability and then when given the chance to say everything she has done in her career you can't come up with one thing. Your right speaking for uni is so boring but when you speak for yourself you get so much more things out.

I'm sorry but if you can't handle my conversations then I suggest moving on from it completely? rather than making a big scene out of it? but trying to twist my words around is another thing and I think i've explained myself quite clearly. If you can't understand my logic then move along. I have no personal vendetta against you or anyone else but it seems your making this more personal than it actually is.

Nov 8, 2009 -- 5:43PM, Hitman4Life wrote:

Nov 8, 2009 -- 5:34PM, Dominating Divas(The MelinaManiac)☆Jay Mr. Garcia's Lover☆ wrote:

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Nov 8, 2009 -- 4:34PM, Hitman4Life wrote:

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Nov 8, 2009 -- 3:58PM, Hitman4Life wrote:

Nov 8, 2009 -- 2:54PM, Dominating Divas(The MelinaManiac)☆Jay Mr. Garcia's Lover☆ wrote:

Melina, she has earned every bit of respect she has ever received, and she is not immediately given respect just because of her last name

Except Natalya isn't a gloryhog? As you can see she is carefully taking her time to earn her spot and not gaining the advantage because of her lastname?

Natalya isn't a gloryhog, and neither is Melina. I love how just because someone is in their prime and they are the top face or top heel everyone considers them a gloryhog. Melina went on smackdown and lost her title 1 month after her re-debut, she chased after the women's title for 4 months and nothing, then she switched brands and won a title that nobody was even taking seriously. Just becuase Nattie isn't being pushed doesn't mean she isn't over-rated, she hasn't done anything in the WWE to be honest but everyone considers her one of the best. I love Natalya myself but I do have the ability to admit she isn't the greatest diva in the WWE right now.

Melina isn't a gloryhog? about a month ago I would of agreed with you however ever since her return to RAW she reemerged out all of a sudden and stole Jillian's spotlight by beating her for the diva's championship, if that isn't a gloryhog, then I don't know what is. At least they could of gave Jillian a month or two as champion where she could of feuding with Melina instead she only lasted a few minutes as champion with Melina coming out on top? Also you say Melina was in the indepedent scene herself? did she go to Japan, and SHIMMER facing the best of the best in the world like Nattie did? NO, Melina was trained at Jesse Hernandez's School of Hard Knocks and made her professional debut in April 2002 and auditioned for Tough Enough III in late 2002 who made her WWE debut in 2004, hmm she doesn't seem much of a indepedent wrestler to me.

Jillian never had the spotlight! Jillian botched in all of their matches. Jillian was sloppy in her matches. And I cannot belive you are still holding this BS over Melina's head, seriously Melina is the champion, build a bridge and get over it. Yeah it would have been nice of them to give Jillian a push but guess what they didn't give and you wannna know why? Because the fans were bored with her. Their matches together were sloppy and a complete botchfest and that is not Melina's, if Jillian wanted a push she should have taken advantage of her title shots and matches and proved she was worth it. But she didn't and that is not Melina's fault. Melina was not as fortunate as Natalya, she did not grow up a Neidhart she grew up living with her mom who was a hair dresser. So no she didn't go to SHIMMER and no she never went to Japan but whos to say she didn't want to. Some people can't afford to chase their dreams forever, she hardly got by everyday, she just could not afford going half way across the world for something she didn't even know was going to take off or not. And yet you say Natalya was never given more chances because of her last name, could have fooled me.

Natalya is one of the most respected/trustworthy divas not because of her lastname but because of how she knows how to help her opponents become better wrestlers, Nattie doesn't want her lastname to get in the way of her success she wants to earn it all by herself just like her uncles have done before her, they earned their own success not because they were the sons of Stu Hart, the legendary trainer of the infamous dungeon and promotor of Stampede wrestling, but because of what they learned from him, people love them and Nattie because they are great wrestlers, and that reputation has gone a long way considering wrestlers like Jericho, Edge, Chris Benoit (RIP) and so many are successful based on that training, yes everyone loves the Harts, but they love their wrestling even more and that's what sells, not a lastname.

It doesn't matter if Natalya wants it or not, the glory is going to come with her last name and she is well aware of that. People over-rate her because of her last name. That was my first statement, she may not want it but it is bound to happen. And you obviously like her because of her last name because when you mentioned Stu Harts name you brought up all of his accomplishments. Natalya may be a great wrestler but some people on here who haven't had the chance of seeing anything past her WWE work wouldn't know that because they see the name Neidhart and immediately think great wrestler no matter who it is. And another thing I love how you didn't even acknowledge my last 5 sentences, yeah that's real great.

So your saying just because of her lastname she is considered a gloryhog, and just because she's apart of the Hart family is the reason why I like her? that is complete BS, first off I like the Hart's because they aren't gloryhogs and they know how to make really entertaining wrestling matches that look real with their selling. Also Nattie is slowly climbing up the latter and has waited her time patiently, she isn't like the Von Erichs who have been rushed in their fathers promotion to become champions and instant fame, that's the difference between the Harts and the Von Erichs is that the Harts actually do earn their spots without their lastnames being a factor.

Did I ever say she was a gloryhog, no I didn't. All I said was glory comes along with the Neidhart name. You sure haven't stated anything she has accomplished in her wrestling career, all you've done is state what Stu Hart has done, which isn't even on topic by the way. Natalya has no say in weather she "climbs up the ladder slowly" who is pushed to the max so that point has no effect at all. Nobody is freakin talking about the Von Erichs, no wonder nobody likes talking to you, you never stay on topic.

Actually I was exactly on topic i'm just setting a few examples, your applying that since she's a Neidhart/Hart that the glory will come to her because of her lastname? I brought up the Von Erichs because if you know their history they were considered gloryhogs in their fathers promotion and were overpushed, while the Harts like Bret & Owen earned their spots and didn't get the same treatment that the Von Erichs did. Now saying that nobody likes to talk to me is a understatement, considering you can't speak for everyone on here, I respect everyone's imput even yours but to say that nobody likes talking to me is hypocritical.

No setting a few examples is like saying "so and so uses their last name to their advantage..." but you just never shut up about it, I mean seriously you just went on and on and on, and we weren't even taling about the Von Erich's. Again this isn't about the Von Erich's so shut up about them, using someone as an example doesn't mean you have to make the whole damn conversation about them. Your right I can't speak for everyone on here but I can speak for myself and speaking for myself I would have to say I hate talking to you, you turn the conversation into something that no one even cares about, you refuse to stay on topic, you ignore everything I say and then you turn around and say you respect my input, you say you love Natalya not because of her last name but because of her in-ring ability and then when given the chance to say everything she has done in her career you can't come up with one thing. Your right speaking for uni is so boring but when you speak for yourself you get so much more things out.

I'm sorry but if you can't handle my conversations then I suggest moving on from it completely? rather than making a big scene out of it? but trying to twist my words around is another thing and I think i've explained myself quite clearly. If you can't understand my logic then move along. I have no personal vendetta against you or anyone else but it seems your making this more personal than it actually is.

I have nothing against you, I actually kind of like you but when you ignore every good point I make and constantly take the conversation into a different direction of course it's going to piss me off. If you have to think of a way to get out of the conversation and change the subject because you have no comeback then your the one who needs to drop it because I unlike you have argued with every statement you have made, I didn't just run off and start talking about some other wrestling family ulike you did.

Nov 8, 2009 -- 5:59PM, Hitman4Life wrote:

Nov 8, 2009 -- 5:48PM, Dominating Divas(The MelinaManiac)☆Jay Mr. Garcia's Lover☆ wrote:

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Nov 8, 2009 -- 4:34PM, Hitman4Life wrote:

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Nov 8, 2009 -- 3:58PM, Hitman4Life wrote:

Nov 8, 2009 -- 2:54PM, Dominating Divas(The MelinaManiac)☆Jay Mr. Garcia's Lover☆ wrote:

Melina, she has earned every bit of respect she has ever received, and she is not immediately given respect just because of her last name

Except Natalya isn't a gloryhog? As you can see she is carefully taking her time to earn her spot and not gaining the advantage because of her lastname?

Natalya isn't a gloryhog, and neither is Melina. I love how just because someone is in their prime and they are the top face or top heel everyone considers them a gloryhog. Melina went on smackdown and lost her title 1 month after her re-debut, she chased after the women's title for 4 months and nothing, then she switched brands and won a title that nobody was even taking seriously. Just becuase Nattie isn't being pushed doesn't mean she isn't over-rated, she hasn't done anything in the WWE to be honest but everyone considers her one of the best. I love Natalya myself but I do have the ability to admit she isn't the greatest diva in the WWE right now.

Melina isn't a gloryhog? about a month ago I would of agreed with you however ever since her return to RAW she reemerged out all of a sudden and stole Jillian's spotlight by beating her for the diva's championship, if that isn't a gloryhog, then I don't know what is. At least they could of gave Jillian a month or two as champion where she could of feuding with Melina instead she only lasted a few minutes as champion with Melina coming out on top? Also you say Melina was in the indepedent scene herself? did she go to Japan, and SHIMMER facing the best of the best in the world like Nattie did? NO, Melina was trained at Jesse Hernandez's School of Hard Knocks and made her professional debut in April 2002 and auditioned for Tough Enough III in late 2002 who made her WWE debut in 2004, hmm she doesn't seem much of a indepedent wrestler to me.

Jillian never had the spotlight! Jillian botched in all of their matches. Jillian was sloppy in her matches. And I cannot belive you are still holding this BS over Melina's head, seriously Melina is the champion, build a bridge and get over it. Yeah it would have been nice of them to give Jillian a push but guess what they didn't give and you wannna know why? Because the fans were bored with her. Their matches together were sloppy and a complete botchfest and that is not Melina's, if Jillian wanted a push she should have taken advantage of her title shots and matches and proved she was worth it. But she didn't and that is not Melina's fault. Melina was not as fortunate as Natalya, she did not grow up a Neidhart she grew up living with her mom who was a hair dresser. So no she didn't go to SHIMMER and no she never went to Japan but whos to say she didn't want to. Some people can't afford to chase their dreams forever, she hardly got by everyday, she just could not afford going half way across the world for something she didn't even know was going to take off or not. And yet you say Natalya was never given more chances because of her last name, could have fooled me.

Natalya is one of the most respected/trustworthy divas not because of her lastname but because of how she knows how to help her opponents become better wrestlers, Nattie doesn't want her lastname to get in the way of her success she wants to earn it all by herself just like her uncles have done before her, they earned their own success not because they were the sons of Stu Hart, the legendary trainer of the infamous dungeon and promotor of Stampede wrestling, but because of what they learned from him, people love them and Nattie because they are great wrestlers, and that reputation has gone a long way considering wrestlers like Jericho, Edge, Chris Benoit (RIP) and so many are successful based on that training, yes everyone loves the Harts, but they love their wrestling even more and that's what sells, not a lastname.

It doesn't matter if Natalya wants it or not, the glory is going to come with her last name and she is well aware of that. People over-rate her because of her last name. That was my first statement, she may not want it but it is bound to happen. And you obviously like her because of her last name because when you mentioned Stu Harts name you brought up all of his accomplishments. Natalya may be a great wrestler but some people on here who haven't had the chance of seeing anything past her WWE work wouldn't know that because they see the name Neidhart and immediately think great wrestler no matter who it is. And another thing I love how you didn't even acknowledge my last 5 sentences, yeah that's real great.

So your saying just because of her lastname she is considered a gloryhog, and just because she's apart of the Hart family is the reason why I like her? that is complete BS, first off I like the Hart's because they aren't gloryhogs and they know how to make really entertaining wrestling matches that look real with their selling. Also Nattie is slowly climbing up the latter and has waited her time patiently, she isn't like the Von Erichs who have been rushed in their fathers promotion to become champions and instant fame, that's the difference between the Harts and the Von Erichs is that the Harts actually do earn their spots without their lastnames being a factor.

Did I ever say she was a gloryhog, no I didn't. All I said was glory comes along with the Neidhart name. You sure haven't stated anything she has accomplished in her wrestling career, all you've done is state what Stu Hart has done, which isn't even on topic by the way. Natalya has no say in weather she "climbs up the ladder slowly" who is pushed to the max so that point has no effect at all. Nobody is freakin talking about the Von Erichs, no wonder nobody likes talking to you, you never stay on topic.

Actually I was exactly on topic i'm just setting a few examples, your applying that since she's a Neidhart/Hart that the glory will come to her because of her lastname? I brought up the Von Erichs because if you know their history they were considered gloryhogs in their fathers promotion and were overpushed, while the Harts like Bret & Owen earned their spots and didn't get the same treatment that the Von Erichs did. Now saying that nobody likes to talk to me is a understatement, considering you can't speak for everyone on here, I respect everyone's imput even yours but to say that nobody likes talking to me is hypocritical.

No setting a few examples is like saying "so and so uses their last name to their advantage..." but you just never shut up about it, I mean seriously you just went on and on and on, and we weren't even taling about the Von Erich's. Again this isn't about the Von Erich's so shut up about them, using someone as an example doesn't mean you have to make the whole damn conversation about them. Your right I can't speak for everyone on here but I can speak for myself and speaking for myself I would have to say I hate talking to you, you turn the conversation into something that no one even cares about, you refuse to stay on topic, you ignore everything I say and then you turn around and say you respect my input, you say you love Natalya not because of her last name but because of her in-ring ability and then when given the chance to say everything she has done in her career you can't come up with one thing. Your right speaking for uni is so boring but when you speak for yourself you get so much more things out.

I'm sorry but if you can't handle my conversations then I suggest moving on from it completely? rather than making a big scene out of it? but trying to twist my words around is another thing and I think i've explained myself quite clearly. If you can't understand my logic then move along. I have no personal vendetta against you or anyone else but it seems your making this more personal than it actually is.

I have nothing against you, I actually kind of like you but when you ignore every good point I make and constantly take the conversation into a different direction of course it's going to piss me off. If you have to think of a way to get out of the conversation and change the subject because you have no comeback then your the one who needs to drop it because I unlike you have argued with every statement you have made, I didn't just run off and start talking about some other wrestling family ulike you did.

When did I ignore every good point you made? I acknowledged that I like the Hart's not because of their name, but rather I like them because of their ability to wrestle and selling by making it look real at the sametime, and the reason why I brought up the Von Erichs because when you think about gloryhogs, it's usually their name that pops up because that's what they were/are, so I mentioned them as an example. Also as I mentioned earlier I would of agreed with you a month ago about Melina but with her sudden surprise return to RAW by winning the diva's title almost instantly when it wasn't even her right really disappointed me, now i'm not saying I blame Melina, but I do blame WWE management for overrating her slightly, but as always i'm sure she will recover from that.

If you go back and read it is obvious where you ignored my points, I even said "hey you ignored my last 5 sentences" one time and there has been plenty more than that. I swear if I wasn't in this convo myself I would have thought we were talking about 2 different things. Now your just re-stating what you've already said, just give it up