Feb 18, 2009 -- 8:07PM, chrisjericho13 wrote:

A) Austin probably won't wrestle for health reasons
B) If he does wrestle, there is absolutley no chance he's in the ring with Hogan -- Hogan is desperate to face him and get another big WM payday, but Austin has said repeatedly he wants no part of him, and rumor has it the original plan for WM X8 was Hogan vs. Austin instead of Hogan vs. Rock and Austin said no.
C) If one guy gets the boot from the triple threat, it should be Hogan. Imagine the crowd reaction of John Cena vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin. It would be INSANE.

Ha, yeah right what ever. Hogan is the biggest star in pro wrestling period. He helped make pro wrestling a world wide sport. In fact if you where to count inflation he would be the biggest gross star of all time by almost two times worth. Fact: Austin is a cry baby if he does not get his way, I work in the wrestling business and I've never heard one nice thing about him via showing up to events on time and doing his job via what the promoters tell him to do. Newsflash Austin no shows events while Hogan has yet to miss one show he was booked to wrestle for via in contract writing. 30 years worth of booking via showing up on time vs. 10 while no showing some of the time. Hogan and Austin are the same via pops/crowd fair.

John Cena would be the one who should get booted from the 3-way not Hogan or Austin. In the end if one was to count inflation Hogan owns Austin by a large mile.

Feb 18, 2009 -- 4:02PM, Peaceful War wrote:

No cause:
1)Hogan is not coming back to WWE
2)Stone cold will be vs Jericho
3)i dont wanna see cena!

Stone Cold isn't competing at Mania dude. He isn't in any physical shape to be able to wrestle again.

Feb 20, 2009 -- 6:09AM, cook wrote:

Feb 19, 2009 -- 8:09PM, {The Phoenix Kid} [prideorpunishment.sxe] wrote:

Feb 19, 2009 -- 7:00PM, cook wrote:

Feb 18, 2009 -- 8:07PM, chrisjericho13 wrote:

A) Austin probably won't wrestle for health reasons
B) If he does wrestle, there is absolutley no chance he's in the ring with Hogan -- Hogan is desperate to face him and get another big WM payday, but Austin has said repeatedly he wants no part of him, and rumor has it the original plan for WM X8 was Hogan vs. Austin instead of Hogan vs. Rock and Austin said no.
C) If one guy gets the boot from the triple threat, it should be Hogan. Imagine the crowd reaction of John Cena vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin. It would be INSANE.

Ha, yeah right what ever. Hogan is the biggest star in pro wrestling period. He helped make pro wrestling a world wide sport. In fact if you where to count inflation he would be the biggest gross star of all time by almost two times worth. Fact: Austin is a cry baby if he does not get his way, I work in the wrestling business and I've never heard one nice thing about him via showing up to events on time and doing his job via what the promoters tell him to do. Newsflash Austin no shows events while Hogan has yet to miss one show he was booked to wrestle for via in contract writing. 30 years worth of booking via showing up on time vs. 10 while no showing some of the time. Hogan and Austin are the same via pops/crowd fair.

John Cena would be the one who should get booted from the 3-way not Hogan or Austin. In the end if one was to count inflation Hogan owns Austin by a large mile.

How many good things have you heard about Hogan?  Because I've heard that Hogan politics himself to go over at all costs, and at the expense of many others at the height of their popularity.  Does the name "Macho Man" Randy Savage come to mind?  Shawn Michaels?  I truly believe that if Hogan were to square off against Austin, in Steve's final match, we'd have a stalemate.  Hulk refuses to put Austin over, and if it were to happen, Steve would deserve to go over, especially in his farewell match.

Fact:  At the Raw 15th Anniversary Show, not only did Hogan get a weaker pop than Steve Austin, but his pop was weaker than Triple H, as well...ALL THREE TIMES TRIPLE H WAS IN THE RING!

Fact:  It's been stated by the WWE, themselves, that more Steve Austin merchandise had been sold in comparison to any other wrestler in history.  Hulk Hogan falls into that "any other wrestler" category.

Fact:  Nostalgia did bring Hogan back to the height of his popularity one more time, when he returned in 2002.  And that popularity continued, through 2005.  But after seeing him come back one more time, and win; and one more time, and win again; and one more time, and win once more; endlessly through the next couple of years, until beating Randy Orton at Summerslam 2006, the fans got tired of it, resulting in the slow decline in Hogan fans, and the reason why Triple H received a much louder ovation than Hogan.

Fact:  Hogan is only out for one person these days- himself.  If the same could be said for Austin, there would be no reason for him to be plugged into a match for the simple need of a 'special referee.'

That's my rant.  I'm not a Hulk Hogan fan. :)

Are you freaking for real? Ok just in case let’s review.

How many good things have you heard about Hogan?  Because I've heard that Hogan politics himself to go over at all costs, and at the expense of many others at the height of their popularity.  Does the name "Macho Man" Randy Savage come to mind?  Shawn Michaels?

1: Hello every big star in pro wrestling does this period. HHH/Undertaker and when bashing Hogan maybe you should leave out HBK from the argument seeing as how he makes Hogan look like a saint via his stint from 1994-1998. The only reason he put over Austin was because undertaker threatened to kick his butt if he didn’t. And unlike Hogan HBK could never draw **** via vs. Hogan or Austin or any other top star in the business. Just to add more to that **** comment via how many good things have you heard about so and so discussion. You do know that Austin is a wife beater and an all around female beater. Unless you count beating three women as not female abuse?

Fact:  At the Raw 15th Anniversary Show, not only did Hogan get a weaker pop than Steve Austin, but his pop was weaker than Triple H, as well...ALL THREE TIMES TRIPLE H WAS IN THE RING!

2: Ha,ha,ha,ha, oh my god you are for real huh? Austin only got a bigger pop because of the venue via where the show was. HHH at no time got a bigger pop than Hogan and if you really think that than I suggest you read any top ranked wrestling news site via about that night in pro wrestling to see how wrong you really are. Hell Ryan Clark via one of the top wrestling reporters in the world hates Hogan to death and he even said he had the second biggest pop of the night by far followed by Lita and Trish than HHH.

Fact:  It's been stated by the WWE, themselves, that more Steve Austin merchandise had been sold in comparison to any other wrestler in history.  Hulk Hogan falls into that "any other wrestler" category.

3: OK you do know that back in the day wrestlers only had at most a few items to sell for there fans. Hogan at most had 6 items for sell in his heyday via at WWF shows. Also there were no items for sale on the internet like there was in Austin’s heyday. And once again you left out the inflation facts.

Fact:  Nostalgia did bring Hogan back to the height of his popularity one more time, when he returned in 2002.  And that popularity continued, through 2005.  But after seeing him come back one more time, and win; and one more time, and win again; and one more time, and win once more; endlessly through the next couple of years, until beating Randy Orton at Summerslam 2006, the fans got tired of it, resulting in the slow decline in Hogan fans, and the reason why Triple H received a much louder ovation than Hogan.

4: What slow decline of fans? The man had 30,000 people beg him for one more match in 2005 and in 2008 at the main event wrestling convention the man was once again begged to appear at wrestlemania 25 by 22,000 fans. Now keep in mind that this is a wrestling convention that on average brings in about 10,000 fans and the only other time they brought in more fans than that was in 2006 via Mick Foley but that still falls flat when going against the Hogan convention.

Fact:  Hogan is only out for one person these days- himself.  If the same could be said for Austin, there would be no reason for him to be plugged into a match for the simple need of a 'special referee.

5: Newsflash all wrestlers are out for there selves and if there not they are huge fools. Austin is getting paid a **** load in a bad economy for doing nothing but possibly referring a match. But for the record I have heard rumors from all sorts saying Austin will be wrestling or was at the very least was in talks to wrestle Y2J. Also just for the record Hogan agreed long ago to give the win to Austin if they ever had a match. Hogan said the same thing once again five years later on a live show via bubba the love sponge show.

That's my rant.  I'm not a Hulk Hogan fan. :)

6: Fair enough that is your right as a fan but don’t talk **** about something unless you are willing to go the extra mile to defend your claims. As a huge Hogan fan for 21 years I know everything there is to know about Terry the person and Hogan the wrestler.

Dude...I don't recall talking **** about anybody, just pointing out some tidbits of information that I have heard (as you were) and stating my opinions.  If it offended YOU at all, I apologize because it wasn't an attack on you.  I was merely bringing to light that there are two sides to every story.

I AM, however, offended by your assumption that I support the physical abuse of women.  Of course I 'consider' what Stone Cold did to Debra and whomever else as spousal abuse.  I'm not ignorant.  But in all honesty this is a moot point, in my opinion, and it dodges my original question: How many good things have you heard about Hulk Hogan?  Because I never denied that Austin wasn't the easiest person to work with, nor do I claim that he is a saint among men.  And here is a direct quote from you:

"Hello every big star in pro wrestling does this period. HHH/Undertaker and when bashing Hogan maybe you should leave out HBK from the argument seeing as how he makes Hogan look like a saint via his stint from 1994-1998. The only reason he put over Austin was because undertaker threatened to kick his butt if he didn’t. "

You said so yourself, every big star does it.  If you truly believe that, then why single out Austin?  Although I don't agree with that either.  I don't ever remember Undertaker completely steamrolling every youngster that come around the way had done in his last years as a wrestler.  Undertaker, from my perspective, has no problem putting over the younger superstars.  He did it for Orton, (although he defeated him before at Wrestlemania, which is understandable.)he did it for Brock Lesnar, he did it for Jeff Hardy; hell, he even put over Maven and Heidenreich, for Heaven's sake!  The same can't be said for all the other veterans, most notably Triple H (who has been known to put over quite a few up-and-comers, but goes out of his way on-screen to make belittle them in terms if interviews and skits) and Hardcore Holly (who is notorious for sandbagging and stiffing rookies).

When it comes to the part about HBK, I feel I can use anybody I wish as an example.  Besides, HBK has changed for the better, whether you 'wrestling insiders' working in the business, writing the dirt sheets, or whatever your role is, wants to realize it.  He is a Born-again Christian (let's not turn this into a Religious debate, I'm simply stating HIS belief.), and from MANY reports has been much more willing to put people over now than in the past.  Look at Rey Mysterio, Mr. Kennedy, Randy Orton, Edge, John Cena, Jeff Hardy, etc.  And that part about Undertaker threatening to "kick his butt if he didn't" (put over Steve Austin at WM14) is pure dirt sheet rub****.  HBK has openly talked about his willingness to put over Steve Austin, as has Austin, himself, and many other superstars.  The fact is, a person can change.  HBK is still around after a career-threatening back injury, and still puts on one hell of a show every time he's in the ring, and puts over the new blood in wrestling, and does it every week.  Hogan comes back maybe once, twice a year or so, just to add another win to his legacy.  Obviously it's not solely on him; I'm sure the WWE doesn't mind the draw that Hogan still brings to the show, and thats not a bad thing at all.  But like Shawn has said himself, after awhile it has to stop being about you.

As for Point number 2, in reference to my comment about Austin/ Triple H's larger pops at the Raw 15th Anniversary Show, I couldn't give two shakes what the wrestling reporters have to say, no matter how respected they may be, because I saw the show myself, and I hear a much larger ovation for Hunter than I did for Hogan.  Now, everybody hears differently, so this point shouldn't even be considered.  However, I just thought I would throw it in, because it is my belief that Hogan just isn't as popular as he used to be.

Feel free to defend your claims again, and respond to my own points.  I love a good debate/ disagreement, and this is, in no way, meant to seem disrespectful to you, honestly.  I just believe we have two different perspectives, that's all.  I am open-minded enough to consider your claims, while at the same time defend my own.  So please, take no offense to any of my opinions.